no one was particularly excited even the people who were in his camp when it comes to defense spending. >> i mean, the main reason for this nomination was to stick a finger in john mccain's eye. they have succeeded in that. >> do you really think that? >> i don't think it's between obama and hagel. >> not the only -- >> i hope it's not. >> you -- you've -- you're known to orbit around the white house from time to time. >> right. >> when the soup of the day is particularly tasty. i'm kidding. this is all out of love. glen -- >> potato cheddar. >> do you buy that line of argument from ben that this is sticking a finger in john mccain's eye, the hagel nomination, because we've been led to believe that there is a close saysness and a rep twar between the president and chuck hagel and that's why -- >> there are a lot of fingers being stuck in various eyes here. one of the other ones is apac, the fact that they got apac to sit on their hands on this nomination, and the israel, not the jewish lobby, hasn't really weighed in in a meaningful way on this is a big deal for the white house, but, y